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		<title>By: Jon Konrath</title>
		<link>http://b.rox.com/2007/04/16/virginia-tech/comment-page-1/#comment-106288</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Konrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 01:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something similar did happen on the IU campus almost exactly 15 years ago, except on a smaller scale.  A German national killed his ex-girlfriend and her boyfriend, then himself, in Eigenmann.  3 doesn&#039;t compare to 33, but the general shock and reaction on campus was similar.

I think the big difference was that back in 1992, the news networks were not as wired in or as emphasized on the shock and awe factor as they are now, which made the B&#039;ton incident nothing more than a regional news story, rather than a forever-repeating-every-15-minutes horror story on CNN, complete with its own screen graphic, and Larry King interviewing a victim&#039;s cousin&#039;s neighbor&#039;s psychiatrist about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something similar did happen on the IU campus almost exactly 15 years ago, except on a smaller scale.  A German national killed his ex-girlfriend and her boyfriend, then himself, in Eigenmann.  3 doesn&#8217;t compare to 33, but the general shock and reaction on campus was similar.</p>
<p>I think the big difference was that back in 1992, the news networks were not as wired in or as emphasized on the shock and awe factor as they are now, which made the B&#8217;ton incident nothing more than a regional news story, rather than a forever-repeating-every-15-minutes horror story on CNN, complete with its own screen graphic, and Larry King interviewing a victim&#8217;s cousin&#8217;s neighbor&#8217;s psychiatrist about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank S.</title>
		<link>http://b.rox.com/2007/04/16/virginia-tech/comment-page-1/#comment-106257</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NRA?  I suppose I might take them more seriously if most of them didn&#039;t have a vested &amp; finacial interest in the rhetoic they voice.  I do feel there is/must be a middle ground to the freedom&#039;s the founders placed in the constitution in regards to firearms and the need for public safety--I just hope me or someone I love are not shot before I see it come to pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NRA?  I suppose I might take them more seriously if most of them didn&#8217;t have a vested &amp; finacial interest in the rhetoic they voice.  I do feel there is/must be a middle ground to the freedom&#8217;s the founders placed in the constitution in regards to firearms and the need for public safety&#8211;I just hope me or someone I love are not shot before I see it come to pass.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://b.rox.com/2007/04/16/virginia-tech/comment-page-1/#comment-106249</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, you&#039;re right that your suggestions were more extensive than just what concerned gun legislation, more of which I would agree with.  I guess I focused on the &quot;enfore the laws on the books&quot; comment, because to me it came across as an NRA talking point.  That and the fact that our nation is woefully devoid of meaningful gun legislation.  Apparently the shooter in Virginia had a signficant history with mental illness and the local police, yet the guns rights people would not want to impede one iota the ability of such a person to buy the weapons of his choosing.  Again, civic insanity.

But I appreciate your thoughtful response and that you reminded me how thoughtful you were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, you&#8217;re right that your suggestions were more extensive than just what concerned gun legislation, more of which I would agree with.  I guess I focused on the &#8220;enfore the laws on the books&#8221; comment, because to me it came across as an NRA talking point.  That and the fact that our nation is woefully devoid of meaningful gun legislation.  Apparently the shooter in Virginia had a signficant history with mental illness and the local police, yet the guns rights people would not want to impede one iota the ability of such a person to buy the weapons of his choosing.  Again, civic insanity.</p>
<p>But I appreciate your thoughtful response and that you reminded me how thoughtful you were.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank S.</title>
		<link>http://b.rox.com/2007/04/16/virginia-tech/comment-page-1/#comment-106237</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, I see your point.  Of the 73 laws the State of Virginia has on the books,  http://leg1.state.va.us/000/lst/LS923059.HTM , about guns very little [if any] of them would have helped stop what happened at VT.  The local ordinances may have helped more, but I don&#039;t know about that, either.  Bottom Line---Gun laws nation wide should be consistant AND consistantly enforced.  But in all due respect I didn&#039;t JUST say enforce gun laws already on the books. I suggested a lot of things.  I mean if this man had used a pointed stick and just killed one person that still would have been TOO many people.  Stopping this kind of violence has to be a more holistic method and use the real involvement of a lot of agencies [not just the arbitray and at times draconian ones you mentioned], health care professionals and groups, from the White House all the way down to the neigbhor&#039;s house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I see your point.  Of the 73 laws the State of Virginia has on the books,  <a href="http://leg1.state.va.us/000/lst/LS923059.HTM" rel="nofollow">http://leg1.state.va.us/000/lst/LS923059.HTM</a> , about guns very little [if any] of them would have helped stop what happened at VT.  The local ordinances may have helped more, but I don&#8217;t know about that, either.  Bottom Line&#8212;Gun laws nation wide should be consistant AND consistantly enforced.  But in all due respect I didn&#8217;t JUST say enforce gun laws already on the books. I suggested a lot of things.  I mean if this man had used a pointed stick and just killed one person that still would have been TOO many people.  Stopping this kind of violence has to be a more holistic method and use the real involvement of a lot of agencies [not just the arbitray and at times draconian ones you mentioned], health care professionals and groups, from the White House all the way down to the neigbhor&#8217;s house.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://b.rox.com/2007/04/16/virginia-tech/comment-page-1/#comment-106226</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, what gun laws?!  Seriously, what gun law is out there that you don&#039;t think is being enforced enough?

Right now if I want a phone with a land line the government requires a more rigorous registration process than if I want a pump action shotgun with a pistol grip (AKA, a street sweeper).  Also, the government demands more of the phone manufacturer in terms of product safety and quality control than it does of the gun manufacturer.  These disparities  are clear instances of civic insanity.  Why?  Two reasons.  First, because a street sweeper is used to kill people, and a phone isn&#039;t.  Second, because despite all the requirements placed on the phone companies by &quot;intrusive, authoritarian&quot; government, no one has a problem getting and lawfully using a phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, what gun laws?!  Seriously, what gun law is out there that you don&#8217;t think is being enforced enough?</p>
<p>Right now if I want a phone with a land line the government requires a more rigorous registration process than if I want a pump action shotgun with a pistol grip (AKA, a street sweeper).  Also, the government demands more of the phone manufacturer in terms of product safety and quality control than it does of the gun manufacturer.  These disparities  are clear instances of civic insanity.  Why?  Two reasons.  First, because a street sweeper is used to kill people, and a phone isn&#8217;t.  Second, because despite all the requirements placed on the phone companies by &#8220;intrusive, authoritarian&#8221; government, no one has a problem getting and lawfully using a phone.</p>
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		<title>By: The G Bitch Spot &#187; Blog Archive &#187; All Is Quiet</title>
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		<dc:creator>The G Bitch Spot &#187; Blog Archive &#187; All Is Quiet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Frank S.</title>
		<link>http://b.rox.com/2007/04/16/virginia-tech/comment-page-1/#comment-106161</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gun laws..and stuff.

How about we better pay and hire better police to enforce the gun laws we already have, work to make them consistant across the country, provide tougher sentences for crimes that involve guns, AND work to fund our mental health systems so we can treat people with problems as opposed to locking them up an/or [worse] just setting people we know have problems lose on the world because there is no mental health program to recognize &amp; treat them?

Oh, may I add let&#039;s have tougher anti-stalking laws.  You know, ones that  stop folks with these problems before they murder/assault?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gun laws..and stuff.</p>
<p>How about we better pay and hire better police to enforce the gun laws we already have, work to make them consistant across the country, provide tougher sentences for crimes that involve guns, AND work to fund our mental health systems so we can treat people with problems as opposed to locking them up an/or [worse] just setting people we know have problems lose on the world because there is no mental health program to recognize &amp; treat them?</p>
<p>Oh, may I add let&#8217;s have tougher anti-stalking laws.  You know, ones that  stop folks with these problems before they murder/assault?</p>
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		<title>By: Garvey</title>
		<link>http://b.rox.com/2007/04/16/virginia-tech/comment-page-1/#comment-106157</link>
		<dc:creator>Garvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if &quot;guns are good,&quot; but eliminating guns would take a massive effort that I would not want to witness, and it still wouldn&#039;t get rid of all of them.  Imagine the steps it would take to remove guns from one city.  You&#039;d have to encircle the town with an army and then fan inward, doing a house-by-house search and seizure.  There really is no other way to eliminate something that is so widespread.  And that&#039;s really the problem with dreamers: you have no idea what it takes to implement anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if &#8220;guns are good,&#8221; but eliminating guns would take a massive effort that I would not want to witness, and it still wouldn&#8217;t get rid of all of them.  Imagine the steps it would take to remove guns from one city.  You&#8217;d have to encircle the town with an army and then fan inward, doing a house-by-house search and seizure.  There really is no other way to eliminate something that is so widespread.  And that&#8217;s really the problem with dreamers: you have no idea what it takes to implement anything.</p>
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		<title>By: slate</title>
		<link>http://b.rox.com/2007/04/16/virginia-tech/comment-page-1/#comment-106156</link>
		<dc:creator>slate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read this today after I had already posted on this subject. Having read the comments here I can see what the comments on my post will be. I think I&#039;ll just go pull the covers up over my head now and try not to notice the rivers of blood in this country, all over this country.

Oh, and when I get out of bed, I&#039;ll write the &quot;Guns are good&quot; 500 times on a blackboard in my kitchen. Maybe then I will have learned my lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read this today after I had already posted on this subject. Having read the comments here I can see what the comments on my post will be. I think I&#8217;ll just go pull the covers up over my head now and try not to notice the rivers of blood in this country, all over this country.</p>
<p>Oh, and when I get out of bed, I&#8217;ll write the &#8220;Guns are good&#8221; 500 times on a blackboard in my kitchen. Maybe then I will have learned my lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://b.rox.com/2007/04/16/virginia-tech/comment-page-1/#comment-106084</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That there isn&#039;t a &quot;prohibition&quot; against nukes is an embarrassing semantic argument.   What&#039;s really fallacious is drawing a comparison between drugs and guns.  In general, drugs are simply plants or easily derived from them.  Garvey, plants are easy to make and transport.  In fact, Garvey, plants have millions of years of evolution that facilitate their being made (ie, grown) and transported in a variety of situations.  That&#039;s why regulating them is difficult to impossible.

Guns, Garvey, guns are different.  They&#039;re not organic.  They didn&#039;t evolve.  They rely on something different; that&#039;s technology.  In particular, making guns on a large scale requires large, obvious industrial and machining processes.  (Compare that to what&#039;s involved in, say, making joints on a large scale.)

So a nuke isn&#039;t a gun?  (Which is OK, because there really isn&#039;t a prohibition against nukes anyway, right?)  OK.  Can you tell me where I can buy a claymore mine?  I think of them as giant indescrete shotguns, which is exactly what they are.  Thanks.  

Oh and I hardly described a vision of government in my last post.  But give me your email, and I&#039;ll send you my manifesto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That there isn&#8217;t a &#8220;prohibition&#8221; against nukes is an embarrassing semantic argument.   What&#8217;s really fallacious is drawing a comparison between drugs and guns.  In general, drugs are simply plants or easily derived from them.  Garvey, plants are easy to make and transport.  In fact, Garvey, plants have millions of years of evolution that facilitate their being made (ie, grown) and transported in a variety of situations.  That&#8217;s why regulating them is difficult to impossible.</p>
<p>Guns, Garvey, guns are different.  They&#8217;re not organic.  They didn&#8217;t evolve.  They rely on something different; that&#8217;s technology.  In particular, making guns on a large scale requires large, obvious industrial and machining processes.  (Compare that to what&#8217;s involved in, say, making joints on a large scale.)</p>
<p>So a nuke isn&#8217;t a gun?  (Which is OK, because there really isn&#8217;t a prohibition against nukes anyway, right?)  OK.  Can you tell me where I can buy a claymore mine?  I think of them as giant indescrete shotguns, which is exactly what they are.  Thanks.  </p>
<p>Oh and I hardly described a vision of government in my last post.  But give me your email, and I&#8217;ll send you my manifesto.</p>
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